Radio host Charlamagne tha God said Tuesday’s election results should not be overanalyzed: “It’s dinner table issues. It’s literally that simple.”

“Every day people wake up and all they want to do is have more money in their pocket and to feel safe,” Charlamagne tha god said Sunday in an interview with Jonathan Karl on ABC’s “This Week.” “I don’t care if you’re black, white, gay, straight, whatever religion you are. Those are the two things that you’re thinking about every day.”

Charlamagne, born Lenard Larry McKelvey, also said Democrats were not properly getting their message across on border security, noting that Democrats do support border security but failed to effectively communicate that. He said people in his communities were concerned about increased gangs due to immigration — and that Democrats’ talking about the bipartisan border deal shot down by former president, and now president-elect, Donald Trump was not an effective message.

“This was the first time in my life that I heard people in my community, black people, brown people, having those conversations,” Charlamagne said, regarding border security. “So that was going to be an issue. They felt like things were safer. They felt like the border was safer under Trump.”

He added, “Trump is saying, build the wall. When they were telling you that it was a problem, y’all were saying, no. It’s not a problem.”

Karl noted to Charlamagne that one in three voters of color voted for Trump, which Charlamange appeared to have not heard before. Charlamagne said that he doesn’t think any of these people are single-issue voters, but pointed to a few things that pushed voters to Trump.

“I think that is a backlash to race and gender and identity politics,” Charlamagne said. “But most people, they just care about keeping food on their table and keeping a roof over their head.”

He added, “And I think sometimes people forget about that. They forget about the working class, and for whatever reason, Trump speaks to the grievances of the working class.”

Charlamagne had been critical of President Joe Biden’s run for reelection before he dropped out. He had said that Biden was not an effective messenger and highlighted Trump’s message making inroads with young people and Black communities. He criticized Democrats for only talking about Trump as a felon, rather than touting their policy achievements back in January.

Charlamagne had backed Vice President Kamala Harris in the election after she took over the ticket. But despite her loss on Tuesday, Charlamagne said that he was still optimistic about the future of the United States — “I have no choice but to be,” he said. But when asked if he was surprised by Tuesday’s outcomes, Charlamagne said he wouldn’t put it as surprising.

“It was a tossup. Going into the election, they were neck and neck,” Charlamagne said. “I think that she needs to get a lot more credit than she probably is going to get because the campaign was dead, you know? Literally.”

Referencing a 1989 movie, he said that Biden’s campaign “was dead” and Harris deserves credit for making more people pay attention: “A lot of people make jokes about ‘The Weekend at Bernie’s’ thing and say, ‘I would vote for Biden if he was a corpse.’ He damn near was.”

He added, “I think that the vice president made a lot of people sit up on the couch and pay attention, and at least be curious. With Biden, everybody was just knocked out, asleep, gone.”